Forum:Village pump

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:To elaborate: I do think it would make sense to have separate pages listing game hints and "freeplay modifiers" across the entire BTD series ("List of game hints" and "List of round modifiers"?). The question is, if we have those, is there still value in having the [[List of rounds in BTD6]] page to list rounds and game hints in the same place. Either way, the round modifiers should probably be removed because they aren't specific to the default roundset, they apply to all roundsets. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 23:57, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

::Paging @[[User:Drgoku282|Drgoku282]], since he made the page for FL rounds, so maybe he feels some way about how to reorganize those. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 00:35, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:Ok since I was called here, these are my thoughts:

:* On the main topic, the issue I'm seeing across most the points above is the fragmentation of the information between things that would go the stats namespace and the main namespace, because it breaks the flow of information, specially on articles where the lack of the roundset would make the article feel incomplete which is the case for ABR and single-game Quests.

:* I have an idea to tackle this, but I'm not convinced that it is good enough:

:* First create a page for all roundsets in stats namespace, we should think about the article name for at least the "most common" roundsets, because I feel "EnduranceRoundSet" would feel weird for the user. These article should only have lede, the roundset list, income, list of events/modes or whatever uses that specific roundset, update history and navigation.

:** I would leave the game hints with the roundset they belong, just like the income, as I think moving them would fragment more the information.

:* Certain articles would be allowed to list rounds outside of the stats namespace for several reasons, for example:

:** Those that would feel incomplete without them (ABR, Quests, including Alternate CHIMPOPPABLE, which would just list ABR for consistency in this case), these should only get the roundset list and the income list.

:** In some the information can be presented in a better way, for example, in the [[Bloon Encounter (Rogue Legends)]] article, we could or could not present a collapsed table with the regular roundset, and then all the variants using the comparison thing and a hat leading to the complete set. Same thing for Bosses, have only the comparison from the main set and a hat.

:** Like we do with stats section for regular towers, we could use a hat to lead the user to more information in the stats namespace.

:** Frontier is a bit more tricky, but I think [[Bloon Encounter (Frontier Legends)]] already covers the mechanics, so no need to repeat them on the [[List of rounds in Frontier Legends]] article (or in the 6 articles after being divided). But the encounter article would need to have the list of roundsets more visible, I like the [[Bloons TD 6#Lists]] format for linking the 6 sets, and in this case we would consider the reinforcement sets like regular sets for the sake of moving them in the stats namespace, I feel doing something different would create more confusion instead of helping.

:** The links in the legends navigation could point to a category article if we create the sub-categories "Rogue Legends roundsets" and "Frontier Legends roundsets".

:* For the main BTD6 rounds article, I agree that the freeplay stuff should be moved to a different article because it is not excluisve to the main roundset. For the sake of completeness we could just leave a small "Past 140" section pointing to the freeplay article with the main hat and describing the bloon modifiers in general.

:* For the last points a "List of game hints" feels pointless for me, but maybe it would be interesting for some people to see the difference across generations, but I am not for or against it. For "List of round modifiers", isn't that what the [[Freeplay]] article is already trying to do?, I don't know enough about older generations if there are "round modifiers" that are not related to "freeplay", but if that isn't the case, we could just use the freeplay article and separate if the mechanics of some game become complex enough to [[Forum:Determine whether to split the Currency articles into separate pages based on game|split the article]].

:[[User:Drgoku282|Drgoku282]] ([[User talk:Drgoku282|talk]]) 06:54, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

== Creating an AI Policy ==

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:Makes sense to me. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 02:23, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:Good idea I say. I admit I used AI when writing up the data for some of the tables (mainly tedious calculations stuff, not making tables itself), but I will never use AI to write words (at least on bpedia). Yes, AI LLMs likely use Bwiki as its main source. Do make a "how to distinguish AI" sentence or two. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 03:00, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

::Btw, most AI dates up to 2023, when the boom of AI started. ChatGPT at least states that their original data originates from 2023, and any new data from then on is fed by employees, or something. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 04:43, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:{{y}} [[User:Lilysse|Lilysse]] ([[User talk:Lilysse|talk]]) 03:11, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:+1 on avoiding AI slop

:About strategy, most models now should be able to search the web, so they can generate some stuff about recent additions because they can read the script from content creators in youtube. So whatever they do on recent topics will be a bad version on whatever ISAB or Mehalic did on some video. [[User:Drgoku282|Drgoku282]] ([[User talk:Drgoku282|talk]]) 07:11, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

== Calculators? ==

[https://www.bloonswiki.com/index.php?title=ZOMG_(BTD6)&diff=prev&oldid=129651 This edit] reminded me that this wiki could really use some calculator tools to perform quick checks the reader can interact with, like checking the health of a MOAB on a specific round in this case, or other tools like the perpetually unfinished [[User:Planterror/Bloons Monkey City Schedule|BMC schedule page that I'm trying to fix]]. Does the wiki have the extensions in place to make such calculators? What would we need to start making these? [[User:Planterror|Planterror]] ([[User talk:Planterror|talk]]) 08:59, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

:I agree with adding calculator tools. I think it would be particularly useful for the Paragon page since we no longer need to link to external calculators. I don't have any technical expertise in this subject though [[User:Overclockbtd|Overclockbtd]] ([[User talk:Overclockbtd|talk]]) 17:52, 28 June 2026 (UTC)

:I've wanted to make a "Tool" namespace for things like this. Unfortunately, making calculators like on the runescape wiki requires coding in javascript, which sounds like torture. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 18:15, 28 June 2026 (UTC)

::Some people can manage making Javascript code. I made a calculator for paragons before back in bwiki, so a Tool namepspace might be useful for users who do know how to code. For me specifically, I know most of JavaScript if I can read their documentation and examples. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 22:27, 28 June 2026 (UTC)

:::I know how to write javascript, I just really hate it. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 23:04, 28 June 2026 (UTC)

::After some thought, I'll probably just put them in the Blooncyclopedia namespace instead of making a whole new namespace that'll have less than 30 pages at most lol [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 05:50, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

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 :To elaborate: I do think it would make sense to have separate pages listing game hints and "freeplay modifiers" across the entire BTD series ("List of game hints" and "List of round modifiers"?). The question is, if we have those, is there still value in having the [[List of rounds in BTD6]] page to list rounds and game hints in the same place. Either way, the round modifiers should probably be removed because they aren't specific to the default roundset, they apply to all roundsets. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 23:57, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
 ::Paging @[[User:Drgoku282|Drgoku282]], since he made the page for FL rounds, so maybe he feels some way about how to reorganize those. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 00:35, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
+:Ok since I was called here, these are my thoughts:
+:* On the main topic, the issue I'm seeing across most the points above is the fragmentation of the information between things that would go the stats namespace and the main namespace, because it breaks the flow of information, specially on articles where the lack of the roundset would make the article feel incomplete which is the case for ABR and single-game Quests.
+:* I have an idea to tackle this, but I'm not convinced that it is good enough:
+:* First create a page for all roundsets in stats namespace, we should think about the article name for at least the "most common" roundsets, because I feel "EnduranceRoundSet" would feel weird for the user. These article should only have lede, the roundset list, income, list of events/modes or whatever uses that specific roundset, update history and navigation.
+:** I would leave the game hints with the roundset they belong, just like the income, as I think moving them would fragment more the information.
+:* Certain articles would be allowed to list rounds outside of the stats namespace for several reasons, for example:
+:** Those that would feel incomplete without them (ABR, Quests, including Alternate CHIMPOPPABLE, which would just list ABR for consistency in this case), these should only get the roundset list and the income list.
+:** In some the information can be presented in a better way, for example, in the [[Bloon Encounter (Rogue Legends)]] article, we could or could not present a collapsed table with the regular roundset, and then all the variants using the comparison thing and a hat leading to the complete set. Same thing for Bosses, have only the comparison from the main set and a hat.
+:** Like we do with stats section for regular towers, we could use a hat to lead the user to more information in the stats namespace.
+:** Frontier is a bit more tricky, but I think [[Bloon Encounter (Frontier Legends)]] already covers the mechanics, so no need to repeat them on the [[List of rounds in Frontier Legends]] article (or in the 6 articles after being divided). But the encounter article would need to have the list of roundsets more visible, I like the [[Bloons TD 6#Lists]] format for linking the 6 sets, and in this case we would consider the reinforcement sets like regular sets for the sake of moving them in the stats namespace, I feel doing something different would create more confusion instead of helping.
+:** The links in the legends navigation could point to a category article if we create the sub-categories "Rogue Legends roundsets" and "Frontier Legends roundsets".
+:* For the main BTD6 rounds article, I agree that the freeplay stuff should be moved to a different article because it is not excluisve to the main roundset. For the sake of completeness we could just leave a small "Past 140" section pointing to the freeplay article with the main hat and describing the bloon modifiers in general.
+:* For the last points a "List of game hints" feels pointless for me, but maybe it would be interesting for some people to see the difference across generations, but I am not for or against it. For "List of round modifiers", isn't that what the [[Freeplay]] article is already trying to do?, I don't know enough about older generations if there are "round modifiers" that are not related to "freeplay", but if that isn't the case, we could just use the freeplay article and separate if the mechanics of some game become complex enough to [[Forum:Determine whether to split the Currency articles into separate pages based on game|split the article]].
+:[[User:Drgoku282|Drgoku282]] ([[User talk:Drgoku282|talk]]) 06:54, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
 == Creating an AI Policy ==
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 :Makes sense to me. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 02:23, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
+:Good idea I say. I admit I used AI when writing up the data for some of the tables (mainly tedious calculations stuff, not making tables itself), but I will never use AI to write words (at least on bpedia). Yes, AI LLMs likely use Bwiki as its main source. Do make a "how to distinguish AI" sentence or two. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 03:00, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
+::Btw, most AI dates up to 2023, when the boom of AI started. ChatGPT at least states that their original data originates from 2023, and any new data from then on is fed by employees, or something. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 04:43, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
+:{{y}} [[User:Lilysse|Lilysse]] ([[User talk:Lilysse|talk]]) 03:11, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
+:+1 on avoiding AI slop
+:About strategy, most models now should be able to search the web, so they can generate some stuff about recent additions because they can read the script from content creators in youtube. So whatever they do on recent topics will be a bad version on whatever ISAB or Mehalic did on some video. [[User:Drgoku282|Drgoku282]] ([[User talk:Drgoku282|talk]]) 07:11, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
+== Calculators? ==
+[https://www.bloonswiki.com/index.php?title=ZOMG_(BTD6)&diff=prev&oldid=129651 This edit] reminded me that this wiki could really use some calculator tools to perform quick checks the reader can interact with, like checking the health of a MOAB on a specific round in this case, or other tools like the perpetually unfinished [[User:Planterror/Bloons Monkey City Schedule|BMC schedule page that I'm trying to fix]]. Does the wiki have the extensions in place to make such calculators? What would we need to start making these? [[User:Planterror|Planterror]] ([[User talk:Planterror|talk]]) 08:59, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
+:I agree with adding calculator tools. I think it would be particularly useful for the Paragon page since we no longer need to link to external calculators. I don't have any technical expertise in this subject though [[User:Overclockbtd|Overclockbtd]] ([[User talk:Overclockbtd|talk]]) 17:52, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
+:I've wanted to make a "Tool" namespace for things like this. Unfortunately, making calculators like on the runescape wiki requires coding in javascript, which sounds like torture. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 18:15, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
+::Some people can manage making Javascript code. I made a calculator for paragons before back in bwiki, so a Tool namepspace might be useful for users who do know how to code. For me specifically, I know most of JavaScript if I can read their documentation and examples. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 22:27, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
+:::I know how to write javascript, I just really hate it. [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 23:04, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
+::After some thought, I'll probably just put them in the Blooncyclopedia namespace instead of making a whole new namespace that'll have less than 30 pages at most lol [[User:Polavux|Polavux]] ([[User talk:Polavux|talk]]) 05:50, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

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