Comanche Defense (BTD6)

For other uses, see Comanche Defense (disambiguation).

Comanche Defense

Automatically calls in mini Comanches when they're most needed.

Tower	Heli Pilot — Path 3 — Tier 4
XP cost	12,500
Cash cost	$7,225 — Easy $8,500 — Medium $9,180 — Hard $10,200 — Impoppable

← MOAB Shove

Comanche Commander →

Comanche Defense is the Heli Pilot's path 3 tier 4 upgrade in Bloons TD 6. This upgrade grants Heli Pilot the ability to summon mini Comanche sub-towers when Bloons reach certain thresholds along the track. Mini Comanches fly fast towards its targets, spawning from the edge of the map closest to them, and are equipped with faster-firing darts and high-damage missiles.

This upgrade also increases the damage of Heli Pilot's main darts from 1 to 2. The missile granted by MOAB Shove is enhanced, increasing its damage from 2 to 3, increasing the missle's pierce from 10 to 30, and reducing its attack cooldown by 66.67%, effectively tripling its attack speed. Comanche Defense also enhances the MOAB pushback of MOAB Shove.

Mechanics

Comanche Defense summons a number of mini Comanches when Bloons reach certain track thresholds:

Number of mini-Comanches	Track threshold
1	25%
2	50%
3	75%

Each summoning can only occur once in a round. Mini Comanches already present count toward the amount summoned: for example, if there is already one mini Comanche and Bloons reach 50% down the track, only one additional mini-Comanche is summoned to bring the total to two.

Mini Comanches follow the main Heli Pilot and last for 15 seconds. They have both a dart gun attack and a rocket launcher attack. Mini Comanche darts deal 1 Sharp-type damage, have 4 pierce, and an attack cooldown of 0.228 seconds. 3 darts are fired per shot, or 5 if Quad Darts is purchased.

Mini-Comanche rockets deal 4 Explosion-type damage with +2 Ceramic damage. They have 60 pierce and an attack cooldown of 3 seconds.

Mini Comanches also have 25 units more movement speed from the main helicopter.

MOAB Shove

Comanche Defense significantly improves the MOAB pushback

Bloon Type	Speed while shoved	Speed while shoved, with Bigger Jets
MOAB	-40%	-51%
BFB	0%	-11%
DDT and ZOMG	20%	9%

Stats

For a complete list of Heli Pilot stats, see Stats:Heli Pilot (BTD6).

This data was last updated for: version 55.1

Tower
Display range 22 units Footprint 27 × 27 units Movement speed 40 units/s Targeting options Follow Touch Lock in Place Patrol Points

Attack
Cooldown 0.456s Offset (X, Y, Z) 11.5, 10, 3 (side 1) -11.5, 10, 3 (side 2) Targeting range 54.6 units Filters Cannot target Camo
Ignores blockers
Projectile Count 2 Pierce 3 Damage 2 Damage type Sharp Speed 416 units/s Lifespan 1s Radius 3 units Filters Cannot hit Camo Ignores blockers

Ballistic Missile
Cooldown 1s Offset (X, Y, Z) 0, 0, 0 Targeting First Targeting range ∞ units Filters Cannot target Camo
Ignores blockers
Projectile Pierce 1 Max pierce 1 Speed 270 units/s Seeking distance ∞ units Seeking angle 180° Seeking rotation speed 360 °/s Lifespan 7.4074s Radius 4 units Filters Cannot hit Camo Ignores blockers Explosion Pierce 30 Damage 3 Damage to Ceramic (excl. Ceramic Armor Shell) +2 Damage to MOAB-Class +5 Damage type Explosion Lifespan 0.1s Radius 18 units Filters Cannot hit Camo Ignores blockers

MOAB Shove
Radius 42 units Multiplier for MOABs ×-0.4 Multiplier for BFBs ×0 Multiplier for ZOMGs ×0.2 Multiplier for DDTs ×0.2 Filters Cannot affect Camo

Mini-Comanche

Tower
Display range 54.6 units Footprint radius 9 units Movement speed 65 units/s Targeting options Follow Touch Lock in Place Patrol Points Pursuit

Attack
Cooldown 0.228s Offset (X, Y, Z) 8.5, 7, 3 (side 1) 0, 12.03, 1.7 (side 2) -7.5, 7, 3 (side 3) Targeting range 54.6 units Filters Cannot target Camo
Ignores blockers
Projectile Count 3 Pierce 4 Damage 1 Damage type Sharp Speed 416 units/s Lifespan 1s Radius 3 units Filters Cannot hit Camo Ignores blockers

Ballistic Missile
Cooldown 3s Offset (X, Y, Z) 0, 0, 0 Targeting First Targeting range ∞ units Filters Cannot target Camo
Ignores blockers
Projectile Pierce 1 Max pierce 1 Speed 270 units/s Seeking distance ∞ units Seeking angle 180° Seeking rotation speed 360 °/s Lifespan 7.4074s Radius 4 units Filters Cannot hit Camo Ignores blockers Explosion Pierce 60 Damage 4 Damage to Ceramic (excl. Ceramic Armor Shell) +2 Damage type Explosion Lifespan 0.1s Radius 18 units Filters Cannot hit Camo Ignores blockers

1-0-4

Attack
Copies of this attack 1 → 2 Offset (X, Y, Z) 11.5, 10, 3 (side 1) -11.5, 10, 3 (side 2) ↓ 11.5, 10, 3 (primary 1) -11.5, 10, 3 (primary 2) 6.5, 13.5, 1.7 (secondary 1) -6.5, 13.5, 1.7 (secondary 2)

Mini-Comanche

Attack (secondary)
Cooldown 0.228s Offset (X, Y, Z) 6.09, 9, 1.7 (side 1) -5.18, 9, 1.7 (side 2) Targeting range 54.6 units Filters Cannot target Camo
Ignores blockers
Projectile Count 2 Pierce 4 Damage 1 Damage type Sharp Speed 416 units/s Lifespan 1s Radius 3 units Filters Cannot hit Camo Ignores blockers

2-0-4

Tower
Targeting options Pursuit

0-1-4

Tower
Movement speed 40 units/s → 70 units/s

MOAB Shove
Multiplier for MOABs ×-0.4 → ×-0.51 Multiplier for BFBs ×0 → ×-0.11 Multiplier for ZOMGs ×0.2 → ×0.09 Multiplier for DDTs ×0.2 → ×0.09

Mini-Comanche

Tower
Movement speed 65 units/s → 95 units/s

0-2-4

Attack
Filters Can now target Camo
Projectile Filters Can now hit Camo

Ballistic Missile
Filters Can now target Camo
Projectile Filters Can now hit Camo Explosion Filters Can now hit Camo

MOAB Shove
Filters Can now affect Camo

Mini-Comanche

Attack
Filters Can now target Camo
Projectile Filters Can now hit Camo

Ballistic Missile
Filters Can now target Camo
Projectile Filters Can now hit Camo Explosion Filters Can now hit Camo

Costs and sell values

Note: this list does not factor in Monkey Knowledge or other discounts.

Tiers	Total cost				Sell value
	Easy	Medium	Hard	Impoppable	Easy	Medium	Hard	Impoppable
0-0-4	$11,900	$14,000	$15,120	$16,800	$8,330	$9,800	$10,584	$11,760
1-0-4	$12,580	$14,800	$15,985	$17,760	$8,806	$10,360	$11,190	$12,432
2-0-4	$13,005	$15,300	$16,525	$18,360	$9,104	$10,710	$11,568	$12,852
0-1-4	$12,155	$14,300	$15,445	$17,160	$8,509	$10,010	$10,812	$12,012
0-2-4	$12,665	$14,900	$16,095	$17,880	$8,866	$10,430	$11,267	$12,516

Strategy

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This section was last updated for: version 53.2

Comanche Defense is a decent DPS tower when optimizing the timing of its mini-Comanches, especially with synergies that directly buff it and its mini-Comanches, such as Geraldo and Gwendolin. The improved shove is mild but does assist its capability to control blimps before the mini-Comanches trigger too soon. While its DPS is above average when all of them are active, it greatly struggles on rounds that are long, reaching usage caps sooner. Without mini-Comanches, its DPS is terrible.

Comanche Defense is mostly used as either a mid-game carry or simply for the damage burst when Bloons get far. It has a smooth transition to Comanche Commander, due to the low T5 cost. Comanche Defense still should be combined with defenses that account for its downtime. When used only for the burst, it can be spammed against Blastapopoulos during Boss Rush, or a few for casual Race conditions.

1-0-4 is preferred because it directly increases DPS of both Comanches, with 2-0-4 aiding automatic use so that other defenses can be micromanaged. 0-1-4's shove bonus and flight speed bonuses are minimal and the Heli doesn't gain extra DPS. 0-2-4 is only used specifically against Camo.

Update history

For a complete list of Heli Pilot changes, see Update history:Heli Pilot (BTD6).

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Version 6.0

•  Mini Comanche: Sub-towers no longer gain double the effects of stat buffs such as Berserker Brew (bug fix)

Version 7.0

•  Passive ability: Cooldown reduced ― 45s → 25s

Version 8.0

•  Mini Comanche: Now consumes Berserker Brew charges (bug fix)
  • Note: Still does not consume Acidic Mixture Dip charges
•  Mini Comanche: Now gains double buffs from Permanent Brew if the Alchemist is upgraded to Permanent Brew after the Mini Comanches appear (bug)

Version 11.0

•  Lock in Place and Patrol Points no longer immediately prompt to choose target positions and instead have default positions
•  After changing targeting off of Lock in Place or Patrol Points, changing back returns the target(s) to how it was previously
• "Heli Pilots should no longer cause save files to not load sometimes" (bug fix)

Version 15.0

•  Passive ability: max activations per round increased ― 1 → 2

Version 17.0

•  Overall cost increased by $100 (due to cost changes for previous tiers)
• Description changed (undocumented)

Before	Automatically calls in 3 more Comanches when they're most needed.
After	Automatically calls in mini Comanches when they're most needed.

Version 18.0

•  Mini Comanche: Movement speed increased ― 45 → 75
•  Mini Comanches now spawn based on Bloon progress during the round, instead of whenever there is at least 2,000 RBE on-screen with a 25s cooldown
•  Now spawns a variable number of mini Comanches depending on progress, refreshing the duration of existing Comanches each time a new threshold is reached per round, instead of always spawning three (duration remains 10s)
  • Spawns 1 mini Comanche the first time a Bloon crosses 25% of the track
  • Spawns 2 mini Comanches the first time a Bloon crosses 50% of the track
  • Spawns 3 mini Comanches the first time a Bloon crosses 75% of the track
•  Comanche will now spawn from the side of the map closest to where the triggering Bloon is located

0-1-4, 0-2-4

•  Bigger Jets now applies to mini Comanches

Version 19.0

•  Upgrade cost reduced ― $10,000 → $8,500

Version 20.0

•  Mini Comanche: Duration increased ― 10s → 12s

Version 21.0

“

Heli Pilot manages on pursuit far too easily without any need to consider Bigger Jets unless camo or downdraft is required. For more crosspath variety than just ‘camo’ we moved more of the base Heli speed out and back into Bigger Jets with an overall buff to Bigger Jets. This should allow Bigger Jets to scale a little better than other helis through early speed ramping.
— Update notes

”

•  Overall cost reduced by $1,500 (due to cost changes for previous tiers)
•  Movement speed reduced ― 45 → 40

Version 22.0

“

A little more buffing of underused crosspath
— Update notes

”

0-1-4, 0-2-4

•  Bigger Jets now allows MOAB Shove to push back faster
  • MOAB speed: -0.33 → -0.44
  • BFB speed: 0 → -0.11
  • ZOMG/DDT speed: 0.33 → 0.22

Version 23.0

“

Further small buff to Comanche as prior balancing has not felt sufficient.
— Update notes

”

•  Mini Comanche: Duration increased ― 12s → 15s

Version 26.0

•  Comanche Defense should no longer be completely and utterly bonk on Workshop (bug fix)
•  Should now correctly be able to spawn Mini-Comanche if it is granted camo detection from an external source (bug fix)

Version 28.0

“

MOAB Shove has had a missile attack similar to xx4’s mini comanches added to provide this path something extra for when the mini comanche are not active.
— Update notes

”

•  Missile attack added, with increased damage and pierce compared to the previous tier

Version 30.0

“

Comanche Defense mostly suffered during downtime and so the base Heli at T4 has had some general improvements made to power, but the mini helis have also gained a pierce increase to provide the darts with some improved crowd control
— Update notes

”

•  Main Comanche dart attack: Damage increased ― 1 → 2
•  Main Comanche missile attack: Attack cooldown reduced ― 3s → 1s (attack speed increased by 200%)
•  Mini Comanche dart attack: Pierce increased ― 3 → 4

Version 31.0

1-0-4, 2-0-4

•  Mini Comanche secondary main attack: No longer shoots 3 darts instead of 2 (bug fix)

Version 33.0

“

Faster Darts xx1 upgrade will now increase the attack distance of Heli Dart attacks in order to assist with cluttering issues where large numbers of Helis will push each other away from nearby targets.
— Update notes

”

•  Overall cost reduced by $500 (due to cost changes for previous tiers)
•  Faster Darts now increases lifespan of dart attacks by 30%

Version 34.0

• Comanche xx4 upgrade damage should no longer incorrectly change with crosspathing (bug fix)

Version 35.0

“

ComCom is both lacking in pierce damage, and favors the 105 crosspath more than we’d like. This goal for this change is to improve the overall single target power for the missile AoE without such a high pierce number, with only a smaller damage buff for the main darts so existing pierce benefits that can be applied for the main attack remain valuable
— Update notes

”

•  Heli 'patrol point' markers now visually update immediately after setting new points (bug fix)
•  Missile — main and mini: Pierce reduced ― 100 → 80

Version 37.0

•  Mini Comanche: Now inherits the parent tower's flight mode

Version 41.1

•  Comanche Defense mini helis expire correctly (bug fix)

Version 42.0

•  Shove AoE: No longer ignores the children of the target it is shoving (bug fix)

Version 43.0

“

Overall Comanche cleanup and stats shuffle; with the goal of improving baseline non-buffed performance and making it less demanding of Geraldo’s Pickle for high damage.
— Update notes

”

•  Mini-Comanche missile: Damage increased ― 1 → 4
•  Mini-Comanche missile: Pierce decreased ― 80 → 60
•  Mini-Comanche missile: Damage to Ceramics increased ― +1 → +2
•  Mini-Comanche missile: No longer does +2 damage to MOAB-class
•  Mini-Comanche dart: Attack cooldown increased ― 0.151848s → 0.228s (attack speed reduced by 33.4%)

Version 45.0

“

As MOAB Shove introduced a supportive mechanic at T3 but never expanded on this again we want to start playing around with this some more, it’s quite strong for a T3 so the slow amount was reduced but we’ve made the T4 now better than the T3 was before.
— Update notes

”

•  Shove: ZOMG/DDT speed while being shoved is lower ― 0.33× → 0.22×
  • Note: Also affects 0-1-X crosspath ― 0.22× → 0.11×.
•  Shove: MOAB speed while being shoved is higher ― -0.33× → -0.3×
  • Note: Also affects 0-1-X crosspath ― -0.44× → 0.41×.

Version 49.0

•  Overall cost increased by $300 (due to cost changes for previous tiers)

Version 51.0

“

MOAB Shove’s stalling potential was far too strong for how early and cheaply it becomes available, so we’re dialing back the ZOMG slow amount to keep its late-game impact more balanced. In return, Comanche Defense is getting an increase to these slowing capabilities, giving it the utility for controlling ZOMG movement.
— Update notes

”

•  MOAB Shove: Multiplier for MOABs decreased ― ×−0.3 → ×−0.4
  • Note: This means MOABs will be pushed back faster while being shoved
•  MOAB Shove: Multiplier for ZOMGs/DDTs decreased ― ×0.22 → ×0.2
  • Note: This means ZOMGs/DDTs move slower while being shoved

0-1-4, 0-2-4

•  MOAB Shove: Multiplier for MOABs decreased ― ×−0.41 → ×−0.51
•  MOAB Shove: Multiplier for ZOMGs/DDTs decreased ― ×0.11 → ×0.09

Version 54.0

“

MOAB Shove’s flexible stalling still stands out as particularly powerful through the whole game, we still want to take our time slowly nerfing this but to reduce single-target lockout we’re increasing the missile damage.
— Update notes

”

•  Missile attack: Bonus damage to MOAB-Class Bloons increased ― +2 → +5

Gallery

For more Heli Pilot images, see Gallery:Heli Pilot.

Screenshots

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  Comanche Defense with no crosspath
• 
  Comanche Defense with 104 crosspath
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  Comanche Defense with 204 crosspath
• 
  Comanche Defense with 014 crosspath
• 
  Comanche Defense with 024 crosspath
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  Comanche Defense helipad
• 
  Comanche Defense mini comanche

Assets

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  Portrait
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  Upgrade icon
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  Insta Monkey icon

In other languages

Language	Name / Description	Notes
Arabic	دفاع كومانتش المكالمات تلقائيا في كومانش صغيرة عندما تكون في أمس الحاجة إليها.	—
Danish	Comanche-forsvar Indkalder automatisk 3 flere Comanches, når nøden er størst.	—
German	Comanche-Verteidigung Ruft automatisch 3 weitere Commanches dorthin, wo sie am meisten gebraucht werden.	—
Spanish	Defensor Comanche Llama 3 comanches más de forma automática cuando más se los necesita.	—
Spanish (LA)	Defensor Comanche Llama 3 comanches más de forma automática cuando más se los necesita.	—
Finnish	Comanche-puolustus Automaattisesti kutsuu 3 uutta Comanchea, kun niitä eniten tarvitaan.	—
French	Défense comanche Appelle automatiquement 3 autres comanches lorsque le besoin s'en ressent le plus.	—
Italian	Difesa Comanche Richiede automaticamente 3 elicotteri Comanche quando ce n'è più bisogno.	—
Japanese	コマンチ防衛 最も必要な時に、自動的に３多くコマンチを呼ぶ。	—
Korean	코만치 방어 가장 필요한 순간에 자동으로 3명의 코만치를 더 소집합니다.	—
Dutch	Comanche-verdediging Roept automatisch mini Comanches op wanneer ze het hardst nodig zijn.	—
Norwegian	Comanche-forsvar Kaller automatisk inn 3 comancher når de trengs som mest.	—
Polish	Obrona Komanczów Automatycznie przyzywa mini Komanczów, gdy są najbardziej potrzebni.	—
Portuguese (Brazil)	Defesa Comanche Automaticamente convoca 3 Comanches quando mais se precisa deles.	—
Russian	Оборона команчей Автоматически вызывает 3-х и более команчей, когда они нужнее всего.	—
Swedish	Comanche-försvar Kallar automatiskt in ytterligare 3 Comanches när de behövs som mest.	—
Thai	โคแมนชี่ป้องกัน เรียกเฮลิคอปเตอร์โคแมนชี่ขนาดเล็กโดยอัตโนมัติเมื่อถึงคราวคับขัน	—
Turkish	Komançi Savunması En çok ihtiyaç duyulduğunda otomatik olarak 3 Komançi daha çağırır.	—
Chinese (simplified)	科曼奇防御 在最需要的时候自动召唤3架科曼奇。	—
Chinese (traditional)	科曼奇防禦 在最需要時自動呼叫另外3個科曼奇。	—
This list was last updated for: version 43.1